Christian Dilemma on John 14:12-14

Christians are forced to believe the author of the Gospel of John lied about Jesus p.

This passage has Christians believing Jesus told people that true Christians will be able to perform greater miracles than him and that they will be able to pray  for anything  they wanted and be given it.

Christians, do you believe you can pray for anything and get it? Do you believe you can perform greater miracles than Jesus p?

It’s obvious you don’t believe this to be true, now you must say the author of the Gospel of John falsely attributed the teachings in John 14:12-14 to Jesus or are you going to say Jesus was wrong?

I’ll choose Jesus over the author of the Gospel of John any day.

12 Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13 And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it. [John 14 NIV]

Numerical miracle in Quran

British Muslims Protested to Defend Jesus p

Sharia Law against terrorism

Christians having dreams and converting to Islam

Conversions to Islam

Learn about Islam

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Is Christianity and Islam idolatry? – Rabbi Tovia Singer

Rabbi Tovia Singer clearly states Muslims are not idol-worshipers and are monotheists. The Rabbi also denounces the Christian missionary lie of the moon-god. He also states Trinitarian Christianity is idol-worship.

Rabbi Tovia Singer is a fellow talk show host. He has a radio talk show in Israel. He is the founder and director of Outreach Judaism which is an international organization dedicated to countering the effects of fundamentalist Christian groups and cults who specifically target Jews for conversion.

 

Bart Ehrman: Why Did Some NT Scribes Omit “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing” ?

Previously I blogged about dishonest New Testament scribes who changed the New Testament for the reason of sexism. Here we see something similar, another dishonest small change by the New Testament scribes, but the reason this time is Anti-Semitism.

As per this clip of Dr Bart Ehrman, we are talking about this statement which Jesus p is purported to have said; “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing” [Luke 23:34]. This saying is omitted in some of the early manuscripts by some of the New Testament scribes. This omission was due to their theological belief – the Jews killed God (they believed Jesus was divine) and the Jews were not forgiven for this.

Again, the thinking Christian will think OK, they caught these dishonest scribes who were changing the texts according to their Anti-Semitism but what material in the New Testament (especially the first four books called ‘Gospels’) did the scribes alter via additions and/or deletions of words/sentences/paragraphs which has gone undetected?

Is the Trinity in the Old Testament?

Polygamy IS in the Bible – Christians Stop Being SCARED of Liberals

A Question for Dr Ben Witherington and Prof. Dan Wallace

Koine Greek Analysis: Did the Disciples Worship Jesus p? Ali Ataie.

Mary In The Qur’an

Does the Quran include Mary in the Christian Trinity? Ali Ataie Answers

Responding to Christians who boast they call God ‘Father’. Ali Ataie.

What Non Muslim Women Really Think About Muslim Men

Prophecies of the Messiah – Reza Aslan

Ergun Caner Accused of Racist Comments ‘N Word’

Ergun Caner is not some lone charlatan in the churches in America, there’s plenty of them out there. There’s plenty of them that are taking gullible Christians on a ride to the bank. Before discussing Ergun Caner’s alleged racist comments I’d like the Christians to make Christians aware of another Ergun Caner in your midst, a man called Pastor Usama Dakdok. There are others. Others which we Muslims have been exposing, it’s up to you Christian folk if you want to continue giving cash to the charlatans amongst your leadership. We’re just the message boys and girls.

With regards to the accusations that Ergun Caner made racist remarks, certainly what was alleged to have been said is offensive to Black folk around the world. Racist Christians could learn a lot from Islam, Islam is a religion which destroys racism.

To be fair to Ergun Caner none of this has been caught on camera and right now it appears to be one person’s word against another. I’m not sure if Caner has denied making these comments either. If you’re really interested in trying to get to the bottom of another accusation of corruption in the American churches then go directly to Brewton Parker College and Caner himself. However, if this is true it’s another link between Islamophobes and racists.

There are many Christian fundamentalist bigots who spend their time hate-mongering and propagandizing against Muslims all the while their corrupt leaders trouser cash from the gullible amongst their communities. This could be a wake-up call for them. If you’re a Christian who is fair and recognises the bigotry in the churches please look into Islam. In fact, even if you’re a bigoted Christian or one of the corrupt deceivers in a Christian leadership role look into Islam with an open heart.

The following is taken from Is A Georgia Baptist College Covering Up Racism? I’ve highlighted the alleged racist/offensive comments.

IS A GEORGIA BAPTIST COLLEGE COVERING UP RACISM? | Wm. Dwight McKissic, Sr. <!– [if IE 7]>

Director of Plant Operations at BPC, Thomas Dewayne Bynum, provided the following statement to BPC trustee chairman, yet it was disregarded:

“This is a statement regarding a conversation that I had with Dr. Ergun Caner, President of Brewton Parker College February 5, 2014. I had gone over to the president’s house to talk with Dr. Caner about an email that he had sent days earlier about a potential “cyber stalker” incident. We were talking about the shape of the facilities and what needed to be done to get all of the buildings repaired and/or updated. At this time Dr. Caner said that he was misinformed by the board of trustees about the magnitude of the problems at Brewton Parker. I told him that they may not have known the full extent of the buildings issues because they had been misinformed. Dr. Caner then stated that he believed that they were aware and then said “they nigger dicked me is what they did”, I could not believe my ears and asked him “what did you say” and he then said “they nigger fucked me”. After this l must admit that my mind was reeling and I did not really comprehend much of what was said the next few seconds. We finished our meeting about the buildings (which all took place beside his car behind the house) and I left. Later I spoke with a vice president, Dr. Scott, and related to him that Dr. Caner had spoken to me on a vulgar way but I did not go into detail about what was actually said. I was embarrassed to give Dr. Scott the details at the time and told him that I hoped that it was because Dr. Caner was upset and it was not how he actually felt. Since then I have had conversations and overheard Dr. Caner speak in derogatory ways about African Americans, so I am now convinced that this is a part of his character.” (Director of Plant Operations, Brewton Parker College, Thomas Dewayne Bynum)

Maria Garvin’s statement:

“Yesterday, December 16, 2014, I, Maria Garvin, along with Zak Pitt were told to put in some light bulbs at Dr. Ergun Caner’s home. This was called in around 3:20 PM. Zak and I were let into Dr. Caner’s home by Dr. Caner’s youngest son Drake. Upon entering their home, Drake went to the back where we could here Dr. Caner talking on the phone. Personally, I was under the impression that Drake had gone to tell Dr. Caner that we were there to put in the light bulbs for him, but ten seconds later, Drake returns down the hall and tells us that his dad wasn’t quite ready yet. So Zak and I waited in the dining room area that is across from the front door.

Not too long after Drake had told us to wait, I begin to over hear a few of the things that Dr. Caner was talking about on the phone. One of the first things I heard was an issue that had gone on pertaining to the track team. Juan Castanon had been kicked off the team due to him swearing at the coach Matt Smith and the athletic director Greg “Boo” Mullins. Dr. Caner had his phone on speaker so not only could we hear everything that Dr. Caner was saying, but we could also hear what Juan was saying. Juan begin to ask Dr. Caner about his scholarship money and whether or not he would be able to keep it. Dr. Caner told Juan that he talked to the people in financial aid, and he would be able to keep his track scholarship even though he is ineligible to run through NAIA. Juan told Dr. Caner that he was aware of this to which Dr. Caner asked if Juan had sworn at the track coach and the athletic director. Juan reassured Dr. Caner that this information was false and that he would never do that, and he would never do such a thing to anyone. Dr. Caner then told Juan that Coach Mullins probably pulled his scholarship to try to free up more scholarship money for the baseball team. Juan agreed and shortly following, they both hung up the phone.

Not too long afterwards, Dr. Caner called someone else to which he discussed his previous phone call he had received from Juan. I believe it had to be his brother solely based on the conversation that followed. Dr. Caner was asking for his brother’s advice about what he should do in the situation concerning Juan. His brother responded that he had his VP of Affairs handle those types of situations. Dr. Caner then said that he wouldn’t dare put the individual that he had for that area over the situation because it was Dr. C.B. Scott. He then proceeded to tell his brother why he wouldn’t allow Dr. Scott to be over the situation stating that Dr. Scott doesn’t know how to communicate well with people, he is a terrible teacher, he doesn’t work well with others, he doesn’t fundraise, and to top it off he acts like he is half black. Personally, all of the statements that were made towards Dr. Scott I found obscene because I think he is a nice person, and I’ve never had a problem with him, but for Dr. Caner to say that Dr. Scott acts like he’s half black struck me as odd. What exactly is wrong with being half black or black at all? I was beyond offended when I heard that come from the president’s mouth because I am half black. I also thought that for Dr. Caner to be such an eloquent speaker and well respected leader that that was a very narrow minded thing for him to say, and in that brief moment, I lost my respect for him saying that.

Additional comment by Maria Garvin:

“Recently, a circumstance has occurred that has led us to believe that the president of Brewton-Parker College has been a participant of racial discrimination. However, there have been several instances in which this has happened on the campus of Brewton-Parker. Racial discrimination is a social issue that not only affects students on campus, but also the community around them. Discrimination has become institutionalized, meaning that various systems, with higher education being one of them, make decisions based on race unconsciously and sometimes consciously. Many times racism and discrimination can be taboo, but if we can address it up front, then we can change it upfront. Colleges are a significant part of what a community is, and the students are a huge part of what a college is, as it provides education for students coming from various neighborhoods and high schools. They can become a major turning point for students in building relationships with people of differing backgrounds than their own. If college students can become more aware of racial discrimination and what it means, they will be better equipped, as our country is becoming more diversified. There will be a need to understand racial discrimination and working with others different than oneself in the workforce. Racial discrimination is real and we need to address it. The differential treatment of people based on the color of their skin should not be tolerated.

With that being said, it is imperative that this current situation pertaining to Dr. Caner’s remark be addressed. If it is okay for the president to make such derogatory remarks, then who is he to correct anyone relating to such matters? Moreover, if we can attribute this behavior to Dr. Caner, it is safe to suggest that he condones this behavior seeing as how he displays it himself. A college president must be in tune with the student population, which is almost always comprised of hundreds or thousands of diverse individuals from all over America and around the world. Dealing with so many people and their opinions is a daunting task; the plethora of problems that are possible when several students collide with each other are limitless. However, how can one deal with these same individuals’ problems equally if all of these individuals are not viewed as being equal?

In short, this incident must be handled swiftly and with care. Even if that means contacting a higher power such as the NAACP whose sole purpose is to “inform the public of the adverse effects of racial discrimination and to seek its elimination” and “ensure the political, educational, social, and economic equality of all citizens” as it clearly says in their mission statement. As a part of the student body at Brewton-Parker and a member of the African American community, I feel that it is my responsibility to aid in this effort.”

Zakery Pitt’s Statement:

“Yesterday, December 16, 2014, I, Zakery Pitt, as well as my co-worker Maria Garvin overheard a disturbing conversation at Dr. Caner’s home. Around 3:30 our boss, Dewayne Bynum, called and instructed us to go to Dr. Caner’s house with some light bulbs. So Maria and I went to Dr. Carter’s house with the light bulbs and were met by his son Drake at the door. We followed Drake inside and as we waited in the dining room Drake went to a different part of the house to notify Dr. Caner that we were there. Drake came back and told us that Dr. Caner was not ready yet, so we were under the impression that he would be out in just a minute. As we were waiting in the dining room Maria and I overheard Dr. Caner talking on the phone on speakerphone. I quickly recognized the voice as Juan Castanon, a student at Brewton Parker. During the conversation Juan was asking about his scholarship money for next semester for track. The athletic director, Boo Mullins, pulled his scholarship because of disciplinary actions regarding the cursing out of Boo Mullins and the head track coach. Dr. Caner asked Juan if he cursed them out and Juan denied it several times. Dr. Caner continued the conversation by reassuring Juan that he had his scholarship and that he would receive that scholarship next semester. The conversation ended at that point.

At this point Maria and I were sure that Dr. Caner was aware of our presence and he would join us in the dining room, but he started another conversation on the phone with whom I assume was his brother, Emir Caner, President of Truett Mcconnell College. He was asking him for advice on how to deal with the situation with Juan and the AD Boo Mullins. Caner said he felt that Boo needed to be checked with his power because he thought the only reason Boo pulled Juan’s scholarship was to free more money for the baseball program. Caller’s brother explained to him that at his school he placed the VP of Affairs over the AD. Caner said that Dr. C.B. Scott was his VP of Affairs and there would be no way that he would place him in that position. Dr. Caner continued by saying some disrespectful comments about Scott. Caner said that Scott was “horrible in the classroom, horrible with people, did not try to fundraise money, and thinks he is half black.” Dr. Caner also continued by saying that Dr. C.B. Scott wanted to be the Academic Dean. Caner and his brother laughed out loud and Caner said that Scott would never be put into that position. After that Caner received another call.

The third and final call was from Jennifer Blaylock. She called him complaining about Nikki Jones and Leslie Harrell. Blaylock said that Nikki Jones was repeatedly telling Leslie Harrell to not do something even after Caner told Blaylock to tell Harrell to do it. From Blaylock’s voice I could tell she was very upset and mad, even going to the extent and cursing (“shit”) while explaining the situation to Caner. Caner told her he understood why she was mad but it wasn’t Nikki Jones’s fault. Also, Blaylock was complaining about how Leslie does not know how to do her job because Nikki Jones did not train her fully. Caner responded by saying Nikki Jones will continue training her until fully equipped.

After Caner’s final conversation, his son Drake went back to where Caner was and again told him that we were still waiting. Caner obviously did not know we were still there as he acted dumbfounded. He came to the dining room and said that he could change them himself and he did not need our assistance. So Maria and I left Caner’s house.

Throughout this whole incident I was shocked for many reasons. As the president of a Christian college you should live by a higher standard of professional morals and ethics. The comments made about Dr. C.B. Scott were obviously unprofessional, but were also erroneous. Also, why is Caner believing a student over his administration? Above all, the racist remark by Caner really upset me. If our student population would have heard the things I heard, especially the African-American population, they would no longer want to attend a school under the realm of Dr. Caner. I find myself questioning the leadership and integrity of our president Dr. Caner. In fact, that questioning of Dr. Caner is a prominent factor in my decision to transfer schools this Christmas. I genuinely enjoy this school and the people in it, and would seriously consider coming back if people seriously reconsidered who they have as president of Brewton Parker College.”

Polygamy and the Bible…some truth

Can we have a proper discussion on Polygamy (polygyny, a man having more than one wife)? Rather than being pressurised by liberalism and modern day feminism can Christians look at these matters objectively?

Let’s be honest, there’s nothing wrong with a man having more than one wife. People such as Moses, Abraham and David are believed (by Christians) to have more than one wife. And these are Biblical heroes.

Rather than lazily and unjustly labelling these heroes as wrong-doers, why not have a proper discussion about what the Bible actually teaches? Do NOT be afraid of what the liberals and Western feminists may or may not say.

First focus on the Old Testament, there’s nothing in there prohibiting the practice of having more than one wife. In fact the Old Testament regulates it! And then focus on the New Testament.

I’ve drawn up some notes from Mark Henkel’s presentation ‘Bible Never Created One Man One Woman Doctrine’ below for ease of following and added some additional points.

National Polygamy Advocate, Mark Henkel goes through the Bible and presents an interesting case about the Bible.

Did the Old Testament ALLOW Polygamy?

Under the Old Testament Law Polygamy was never banned. It was simply regulated

If he marries another woman, he must not deprive the first one of her food, clothing and marital rights. [Exodus 21:10]

15 If a man has two wives, and he loves one but not the other, and both bear him sons but the firstborn is the son of the wife he does not love, 16 when he wills his property to his sons, he must not give the rights of the firstborn to the son of the wife he loves in preference to his actual firstborn, the son of the wife he does not love. 17 He must acknowledge the son of his unloved wife as the firstborn by giving him a double share of all he has. That son is the first sign of his father’s strength. The right of the firstborn belongs to him. [Deuteronomy 21:15-17]

So this clearly shows the Old Testament did not prohibit the practice of Polygamy, it simply regulated it by giving rules of equal treatment.

Thus further showing the one-man one-woman doctrine is something new while Polygamy is certainly present in the Bible.

According to the Bible, God gave David wives

Mark Henkel says Moses had two wives., Abraham had three wives and that the twelve tribes of Israel were born of Israel’s four wives.

Mark Henkel says David had numerous wives and according to the Bible, God gave David those wives and if he wanted more God would have given more:

8 I gave your master’s house to you, and your master’s wives into your arms. I gave you all Israel and Judah. And if all this had been too little, I would have given you even more. [2 Samuel 12:8]

Matthew 25, as mentioned by Mark Henker, contains a parable of a polygamous bridegroom.

Mark Henkel: Clearly the Bible never taught the anti-polygamy doctrine.

Adultery and One Flesh?

The prohibition on adultery is not given in English, it was given in Hebrew. Mark Henkel teaches the Hebrew word for ‘adultery’ means WOMAN who breaks wed-lock. Thus through the Hebrew we see that polygamy of a man marrying more than one wife is not adultery.

And we must also keep in mind Mark Henkel’s important reminder of Christian belief, Moses is believed to have written down the Law prohibiting adultery yet he had more than one wife thus showing to Christians and Jews that polygamy of a man marrying more than one wife is NOT adultery.

As for the two will be one flesh. Mark Henkel states this does not mean you cannot be one flesh with more than one woman as Moses was.

Mark Henkel points out that the Bible also teaches one can become ‘one flesh’ with a prostitute. Mark Henkel contends this means that the person can be ‘one flesh’ with his wife and ‘one flesh’ with a prostitute.

16 Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, “The two will become one flesh.”[b] 17 But whoever is united with the Lord is one with him in spirit. [1 Corinthians 6]

Mark Henkel believes the understanding of adultery and the one-flesh passage are not in contradiction with Polygamy.

Ruling for Kings in Deuteronomy 17?

The king, moreover, must not acquire great numbers of horses for himself or make the people return to Egypt to get more of them, for the Lord has told you, “You are not to go back that way again.” 17 He must not take many wives, or his heart will be led astray. He must not accumulate large amounts of silver and gold. [Deuteronomy 17:16-17]

Some Christians may use Deuteronomy 17:16-17 to argue against polygamy but is this an intellectually honest  argument?

Firstly, the passage is speaking about kings (not everyday people) and secondly the instructions are do not take a great number of horses and many wives. Of course, a king will have more than one horse so it does not seem to be a teaching of do not take more than one. Perhaps it’s a teaching of do not be extravagant and have a great number of horses and wives. So it seems like the kings can have more than one wife and more than one horse.

The Husband of One Wife and 1 Timothy

1 Timothy 3:2, 1 Timothy 3:12 and Titus 1:6 are not general prohibitions of polygamy. Mark Henkel says these are instructions only for Bishops, Elders and Deacons. Mark Henkel offers a further interpretation referring to the Greek, he believes this is a prohibition against divorce.

Something that Mark Henkel did not mention that I will touch on. 1 Timothy 4:12 is said to be teaching pastors to be an example to the believers. The anti-polygamy Christians will use this verse. However, is this really a teaching of direct imitation? If it was, then wouldn’t all Christian believers have to become pastors? So to hang one’s hat on this verse does not seem to be the best of logics. On top of this, the acceptance of 1 Timothy being from Paul is in question – New testament scholars dispute whether Paul wrote this. Professor Bart Ehrman believes it to be a forgery. Here’s a little piece online that you may be interested in reading:

1 Timothy is one of the three epistles known collectively as the pastorals (1 Timothy, 2 Timothy, and Titus). They were not included in Marcion’s canon of ten epistles assembled c. 140 CE. Against Wallace, there is no certain quotation of these epistles before Irenaeus c. 170 CE.

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