A Clarification

This is my latest video concerning Jonathan, it was pretty opportunistic as somebody sent me material related to Walid Shoebat and Christian Prince, thus I was working on a vid concerning those two characters. It just so happened Christian Prince (CP) and McLatchie shared a TV platform together yesterday. I believe CP advertised it on his YT so I was naturally curious to see what CP would do/say, especially considering his claim that he would call out Shabir Ally and others on the show. I stand by this video. I believe this type of activism will assist Christians in pinpointing the infiltration of Islamophobia in their evangelism and ultimately shun the characters involved as well as this type of activism acting as a deterrence to potential Islamophobes who were thinking of involving themselves in a similar game.

From a personal point of view, here are all my videos, I defy anybody to pull out a significant amount of what is deemed unreasonable criticism and indeed personal attacks:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRoY8UJPu7JmuLDN5d0Sdig

I stand by all my videos on Jonathan. I believe this is part of apologetics. Correcting somebody who is new on the block and just happens to be borrowing the same arguments as Nabeel, Wood, Shamoun and Spencer serves a few purposes. One of these purposes is that it deters other Christians/Islamophobes from blindly rehashing old refuted material – they know they will look foolish if they do so. As for the reason why it seems pretty constant, it’s because it’s easy. McLatchie literally copies an argument from somebody I have refuted in the past via video thus I just rehash the old vid to make a new one rebuking Jonathan. I’m hardly going to sit on my hands and let McLatchie a free pass – especially given some of his underhand approaches in dialogue of late (I will not go into this) and the fact he’s a fellow Brit who has made comments of late which fuel Islamophobia in Britain and assist in damaging community cohesion in many parts of the UK with larger Muslim populations (one of which I currently reside in).

I think this can be an interesting discussion base for the best approach to Islamophobes on the net (I’m speaking in general). I strongly believe it’s our duty to be vocal about Islamophobia within Christian apologetics, even more so given the spread of the American fundamentalist Christian approach in the UK, this would inevitably involve tackling individuals. If we remain silent, how can we expect Islamophobia within Christian communities to dissipate?

I also believe tackling them via vids on an individual basis serves a positive function in denting Islamophobic designs as well as boosting the morale of young Muslims who are feeling overwhelmed on the net by a constant stream of anti-Muslim hatred.

I recall in my early days on YT, tackling a fella who claimed to be exMuslim and he was making vids with the standard iinternet arguments – I responded to him, correcting him over a period of time. He soon went away. He deleted his vids recognising the error in his way. Respect to him for his sincerity in that regard. Result. On the flip side, I have also noticed a Christian apologist who upon being corrected went to the extent of trying to censor (DMCAs etc) the replies and even change the name of his organisation just so the mistakes and offensive comments highlighted within my material (as well as other material) did not affect his potential career $$$. He of course was not sincere but nevertheless he will think twice before engaging in low-level attacks on Muslims and Islam. There’s a positive result in there somewhere. My material on Shamoun and Wood has actually received positive feedback to the extent that people were just relieved to find vids showing the errors in such a constant and aggressive form of islamophobia. Let’s not forget Ergun Caner, it was a Muslim vlogger who pretty much hounded him on the net to spark the demise of his con. There are, no doubt, many other examples.

I’d be interested to know other people’s opinions and experiences,what has/hasn’t worked for you? This is a good discussion base. Let’s have this discussion without people getting too excited and trying to turn it into some sort of cyber brawl.

Or if somebody does not want to post it here, feel free to email me: yahyasnow@yahoo.co.uk. Part of blogging/vlogging is taking in feedback and other Muslim POVs regardless of whether they are divergent from one’s own mindset.

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Trinity Channel: Did Jonathan McLatchie Cross Another Red Line

Some internet Christian apologists are strange people. In this video Jonathan McLatchie and CL Edwards appear to be endorsing an Islamophobic Arab Christian who presents Muslims are untrustworthy and as people who love to lie. Jonathan McLatchie, who has been involved in Islamophobic scandals in the past, calls Christian Prince’s contribution ‘a great contribution’. Christians should be ashamed when they endorse this type of hate speech. For more posts on Jonathan McLatchie please see here

Islam: Fact Vs.Fiction – Acts 17 Lying again.

More Islamophobic LIES from “Christian Missionaries” [by Acts 17 David Wood]

Just when you thought “Christian” Fundamentalists were learning to be a tad more honest…

Right, we have already seen an overview of the history of Christian missionary dishonesty concerning Islam so it comes as no surprise to see some modern day “Christian ministries” peddling lies about Muslims.

The lies geared towards converting Muslims to Christianity are one thing but lies which have the potential to demonize Muslims and set Christians (and others) against Muslims endanger communities – especially Muslim minorities in the West.

Here we see an internet Christian ministry (David Wood of Acts 17) peddling the lie that Muslims are commanded to torture and kill Christians who FIX CHURCH ROOFS or WEAR CROSSES!!!

Now, the reasonable amongst you would pass this bloke off as misinformed at the very least – if not completely off his rocker. So why publicize this man’s lies? There are a number of reasons, here are three:

1. There are gullible folk out there who would believe such divisive lies simply because they trust “Christian evangelists” or are insincere in that they really want to believe such deceptions. This reinforces hatred and stereotypes, thus further endangering Muslims minorities

2. We need to make an example of Islamophobes – if they are peddling lies it is always nice to expose them as it makes other Islamophobes think twice – we help to nudge them to honesty and decency!

3. Lies can confuse folk so there needs to be a mopping up process.

“Christian” Missionary (David Wood) presented dangerous lies

If the video does not play, please visit:
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/5918502/more_islamophobic_lies_from_acts_17_apologetics_david_wood/
Video is made by the “infamous” Yahya Snow 🙂

Obvious LIES and Distortions

The Quranic Verse the Islamophobe speaks about (5:33 – see footnote 1) has nothing to do with church roofs or wearing crosses. This is an OBVIOUS LIE presented by Mr Wood of Acts 17 Apologetics.

The Verse was revealed concerning a group of people who had committed the heinous crime of murder and theft – severe highway robbery [2]

Commentaries are quoted in the comment section

This “missionary” is exposed in more ways than one

Not only do the commentaries tell us this chap is lying through his back teeth but also Islamic jurisprudence tells a similar story as it uses this Verse (5:33) as a guide to punish those who commit the crime of highway robbery [3]

Jurists may also use this verse as a guide with regards to punishing other serious crimes such as rape at gun or knife point [4]

Leaky roofs? More like leaky vessels of honesty!

I hope you can see we are talking about serious crimes which have the potential to cause fear and panic amongst communities. We are not talking about fixing leaky roofs – the missionary was simply advancing LIES!!!

So the experts (the commentators and jurists) show us this fella is telling tall tales – that’s to say he is making stuff up. How sad

As we have seen in the video, Muslim societal norms also show this dishonest man to be misleading us. [5]

The Holy Spirit

Christian evangelists claim to have the Holy Spirit dwelling within yet time and time again we see Christian evangelists embroiled in such outrageous episodes of misinformation such as the one above.

How do you seriously expect Muslims and other Non-Christians to believe you when your missionaries engage in lies? In this case the lies were Islamophobic and contained the potential to lead misguided folk to harass Muslim minorities in the West. Perhaps that was the design for the lie, I don’t know – ask the man who peddled the lie!

I call him to public apology and repentance

Christians PLEASE stop supporting the disingenuous and dishonest “Christian ministries”

May Allah guide us all. Ameen.

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Footnotes
[1] The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom
[Pikthal translation 5:33]

[2] Ref Commentaries: Al Wahidi, Jalalayn, Ibn Kahir, ibn Abbas. (See comment section)

[3] See Shafi fiqh, Reliance of the Traveller, read entire o15 section (Translated by Nuh Hamim Keller – Amana Publications)
[4] See Sheikh Al-Munajjid’s material on the punishment for rape – the relevant excerpt is quoted in this article – follow the link to see the entire body of work:
http://thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.com/search/label/Rape

[5] Not only that but Muslim societal norms militate against this man’s nonsense. In fact Muslims have even had the Pope visit wearing a CROSS – nobody tortured him. In the video I could have also shown further Muslim societal evidence. Mentioning the كنيسة القديس الياس دمشق, Saint Elias Church (Damascus-Syria) was sufficient as it was built in 1800 and has been twice renovated since but no tortured Christians could be found!

Reply to Negeen Mayel

Negeen Mayel’s Inconsistent Attack on Lauren Booth’s Conversion

Who is Negeen Mayel?

Negeen Mayel is a Christian convert and has blogged about Lauren Booth’s conversion. Negeen operates in an inconsistent fashion in attempting to suggest further study of Islam will deflate Lauren Booth’s feelings of “absolute bliss and joy”.

Aside from Negeen’s misunderstanding with regards to the Islamic source material she quotes, Negeen operates a double standard as the Bible contains teachings which would have to be a concern for Negeen if she was consistent with her standard of judgement.

Predictably, Negeen writes:

Ms.Booth said she had so far only read up to page 60 in the Quran, which makes sense since if she had gone any further she would have hit Surah Al-Nisa, at which point her “absolute bliss and joy” feelings towards her recently accepted beliefs would undoubtedly be confronted with Surah 4:34.

Beating Wives “Surah 4:34”

I’m pretty confident Negeen is already aware of the explanation with regards to this Verse but just in case she has not had it explained to her (o heard/read an explanation) I will point her to Yusuf Estes’ explanation. I hope Negeen stops using this as a hit piece as it is inconsistent and she has now had it clarified for her. Yusuf Estes explaining this issue:
http://thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.com/2010/01/wife-beating.html

Bible-believing Ladies are not easily shocked

Negeen feels this Verse to be “deflating” and perhaps even shocking. However, Negeen must remember she is a “Bible-believing Christian” so a Verse which allows the beating of wives is hardly going to be shocking for a “Bible-believing lady”.

Has Negeen Mayel Read the Bible?

It appears Negeen has not read the Bible and thus operates from a secular standpoint. If Negeen has read the Bible then she is operating in a deliberately inconsistent fashion. Nothing in Islamic teachings should shock Negeen Mayel if she uses the Bible as her standard. If Negeen uses American (secular) law as her standard then both Christianity and Islam will be incompatible with her worldview.

Forget About Beating Women…how About KILLING women, Negeen?

Was Negeen not shocked to realise her biblical and Christian teachings show God (according to Christianity this includes the Holy Spirit, Jesus and the Father) supporting the killing of WOMEN and CHILDREN as well as taking the virgin girls as slaves.

5 Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, “Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! 6 Kill them all—old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin right here at the Temple.” So they began by killing the seventy leaders. 7 “Defile the Temple!” the LORD commanded. “Fill its courtyards with corpses. Go!” So they went and began killing throughout the city. (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)

As a Muslim; we do not know whether this story is accurate. However, we go by God’s standard so IF God did order something of this nature then we as BELIEVERS are not going to criticise it.

Negeen should NOT have been presenting Surah 4:34 for shock effect based on her BIBLICAL standards as she believes God ordered the KILLING of women and children. Be consistent, Negeen!

[Negeen should also Read Numbers 31:7-18 as Moses commands the killing of women and boys. Our Negeen has no problem believing Moses to be a Prophet despite this Biblical passage. Be consistent, Negeen!]

The NIV and Rape

Did Negeen Read the NIV translation of Deuteronomy 22:28-29 (New International Version – UK)?
If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girl’s father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.

Now Negeen may say other translations don’t use the word “rape”; the MSG uses the word “rape” and other translations suggest rape too!

Was Negeen Mayel not shocked by Deuteronomy?

Negeen Mayel’s book does not support sex before marriage either. We see true Bible-believing Christians will not have criticism for the stoning of girls who are found out to be non-virgins on their wedding night (Deuteronomy 22:20-21)

Killing or beating?

Non-virgin girls are killed but Negeen Mayel is more shocked by Surah 4:24? This is inconsistent to an extreme. If Negeen is really this champion of women’s rights then what in the world is she doing claiming to be a Bible believing Christian whilst using secular standards to have a dig at Islam? Has she even read the whole Bible? Really?

Surely, if she was consistent she would have rejected the god of the Bible based on the standard she uses to shock and discourage Lauren Booth.

God does not love all

Sadly, Negeen is very much in the clutches of the extremist brigade. Perhaps they sold “Christianity” to her based on the misappropriated claim that “Jesus loves everyone”. Anybody who is intellectually honest and seriously informed with regards to Christianity will certainly tell you this is unbiblical rhetoric that “preachers” use as a sound bite. The Bible does not support their sound bite.

Therefore, the proud may not stand in your presence, for you hate all who do evil. Psalm 5:5 (New Living Translation)

Negeen Mayel’s Cabal

Recently we caught Negeen’s mentor, David Wood, presenting the most sick sex lie I have ever come across. He presented it as a fact despite knowing it was untrue. The latest development in this sorry saga gives it an even more desperate twist; a colleague of mine has pointed me to evidence David Wood’s mentor (the infamous Mr Shamoun) used the SAME sick sex hoax in 2008. This, my friends, is the type of sheer nastiness are up against. Have a re-read of Psalm 5:5 (above); rest assured we are opposing evil designs!

We are opposing extremist Christians who want to demonise Muslims, the Prophet (p) and Islam for their own ends under the guise of the “church”.

Negeen Mayel has decisions to make

I have personally communicated with Negeen and she did reassure me she does not hate Muslims. I actually believe her and I believe her when she says she is an ex-Muslim (despite some discrepancies being pointed out on YT vis-à-vis her conversion video).

Mr Shamoun as a mentor?

The problem Negeen faces is that she has thrown her lot in with a rag-tag group of bigots/haters and charlatans. Their group is very much in league with the charlatan Sam “Islam allows sex with animals” Shamoun. This is a man who has left a trail of vile all over the net spanning years. Recently we captured Shamoun’s unedifying assault on a Muslim imam in a pal talk chat room:
http://thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.com/2010/11/sam-shamoun-obsessed-with-shabir-ally.html

Mr Wood as an example?

Then there is Mr Wood; his bag of tricks includes sick sex lies. Quite how Negeen can tandem with somebody with such a mindset is beyond me. Rest assured, our David was indeed motivated by hatred when he presented the infamous sex hoax. It sends shudders down my being when thinking about it. Yuck!
Absolutely disgusting! See here for Mr Wood’s despicable sex hoax:
http://thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.com/2010/11/pornographic-lies-on-abn-by-david-wood.html

Mr Wood should hang his head in shame, instead he moves on without a care in the world and his latest post is him bashing Michelle Obama for wearing a hijab! I guess Mr Wood is tearing down all those hijabified picture of Mary on church walls…I guess he is also wrenching 1 Corinthians from the Bible as we speak.

Don’t forget Mr Qureshi

There is Mr Qureshi, well he seems to be the less outspoken and controversial. However, do not let this befool you into believing Mr Qureshi (the self-styled “exMuslim”) is intellectually honest. He is STILL featuring material which he KNOWS to be inaccurate and subsequently is misleading people. See here to learn more:
http://thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.com/2010/09/bassam-zawadi-rebukes-nabeel-qureshi.html

Does Negeen Believe Jesus Supported the Killing of Females Found Out to be Non-Virgins?

Deuteronomy 22:20-21 (New International Version)
20 If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the young woman’s virginity can be found, 21 she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death

Perhaps Negeen was just playing “sensitive” in order to have a dig at Lauren Booth’s conversion. Others could use the same “sensitivities” and apply them in an attack against Negeen’s conversion with GREATER force using the BIBLE. Negeen, be consistent!

Calling Negeen Mayel to Drop her Failed Argument

So Negeen, which is more shocking; God allowing the killing of kids and women or the allowance of beating of wives (see explanation above)? Negeen, we ALL know the answer and we ALL call you to consistency as inconsistency is the sign of a failed argument.

Negeen using the words of a Prophet (p) for shock purposes

Negeen writes: For starters here are the words of Muhammad himself:

[Muhammad said]: O womenfolk, you should give charity and ask much forgiveness for I saw you in bulk amongst the dwellers of Hell. A wise lady among them said: Why is it, Messenger of Allah, that our folk is in bulk in Hell? Upon this the Holy Prophet observed: You curse too much and are ungrateful to your spouses. I have seen none lacking in common sense and failing in religion but (at the same time) robbing the wisdom of the wise, besides you. Upon this the woman remarked: What is wrong with our common sense and with religion? He (the Holy Prophet) observed: Your lack of common sense (can be well judged from the fact) that the evidence of two women is equal to one man, that is a proof of the lack of common sense. (Sahih Muslim, Abdul Hamid Siddiqi, tr., Number 142)

Are women the majority in Hell?

These women are NOT simply sent to Hell based on gender. Sadly, missionaries like to leave it there so people are misdirected into thinking this way.. There is a context and explanation! This is explained here:
http://www.islamicsearchcenter.com/archive/2010/05/why-women-majority-in-the-hell/#comment-3371

Common Sense

Furthermore, the issue of women lacking in common sense is not as shocking as Negeen believes it to be. Muslim women can hold the position of scholars and have held positions of narrators of ahadith; thus the hadith is not claiming women to be half-wits. It refers to women being more naturally guided by emotion and the failing in religion refers to them praying and fasting less due to natural reasons [see pg 340 of Moustafa Zayed’s book response to Robert Spencer]

Now we have explained this issue we can concentrate on Negeen Mayel’s double standards.

Does Negeen not know the Bible teaches men are in charge of women?

Ephesians 5

For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior (Ephesians 5:23 NIV)

Does Negeen Support the Kojak look?

Forced to wear a hijab? I wonder if Negeen and other Christian ladies follow the example of Mary and other Muslim ladies by wearing the head covering or whether Negeen supports the Kojak look.

If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut or shaved off, she should cover her head (1 Corinthians 11:6 NIV)

I believe Britney Spears and the lady in the Alien movies went down the “Kojak” route. Sinead O Connor too? However, none of them sheared their locks for Biblical reasons as far as I am aware.

If I was a woman faced with those choices I would just wear the hijab as it is something Mary wore (can’t be a bad thing then) and I would want to safeguard my locks Negeen, be consistent!

Quoting Prophets

Negeen quotes the Prophet Muhammad (p) (see above) and we shall quote another Prophet, Moses (p). According to her Bible, Moses orders the killing of women and children. For some reason Negeen finds the above statement by Prophet Muhammad (p) shocking but has nothing to say about this passage in the Bible; perhaps she has not read Numbers 31

Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man (Numbers 31:17)

I take it Negeen is off to tell her Christian pals she has renounced Christianity. She will have to do this IF she wants to maintain consistency. Either that or she will have to apologise for the shoddy shock-seeking article she produced. I call Negeen Mayel to public repentance and a public apology to Lauren Booth.

Liberal Christians?

I’m not entirely sure if Negeen is a liberal Christian who believes in homosexuality, dating and women church leaders. If she is I really wonder how she circumnavigates the anti-gay stance her book takes.

[Leviticus 20:13 and Deuteronomy 22:20-21 teach against homosexuality and sex before marriage respectively]

Of course fornication and homosexuality is allowed in America. I guess, if Negeen is a liberal Christian, this is all rather shocking to her too.

Negeen, what do you think of burning people alive?

This must be extremely shocking for Negeen if she is really taking issue with Surah 4:34.

“‘If a priest’s daughter defiles herself by becoming a prostitute, she disgraces her father; she must be burned in the fire.. (Leviticus 21:9 NIV)

I guess the stuff about Jesus, the Father and the Holy Spirit loving everybody is simply sales pitch rhetoric especially in light of Psalm 5:5-6 and some of the verse we have showcased within this rebuke

Negeen: god of the Bible does not love everybody

Do you still believe Jesus, Father and the Holy Spirit love everybody? You see, in Islam we do not have an issue with God not loving the evil-doers. Why should God love the evil-doers? In Christianity it is clear god does not love the bad folk BUT for some reason Christians try to sell Christianity to us by telling us “Jesus loves everyone”.

The truth is; your Christian teachings teach non-Christians are doomed. St Augustine condemned non-baptised babies to Hell.

I guess it is easier to market Christianity in liberal America by changing its teachings; some have allowed gay marriages in order to appeal to liberal America.

After all we do find many women in church leadership positions nowadays. It would never have happened in the days of Paul. Changing your faith to a form of liberalism is up to you but to malign Islam because it stands firm to the teachings of God is problematic for Muslims. That is why I stepped in, just to make sure it does not happen again.

If you are intellectually honest you will make certain we do not see a repeat of this episode. Furthermore, I call you to holiness and righteousness and ask you to review your associations with your current company.

Conclusion

Negeen argues against Islam without a standard of consistency. She is either ill-informed with regards to the Bible or she is being deliberately inconsistent in order to wrack up the anti-Islamic sentiment her superiors expect of her.

Whatever happened to those peace loving Christians? Those Christians who try to be consistent, balanced and erudite?

The answer; some converted to Islam, some to secularism, and the rest have been drowned out by the fundamentalists who spend day and night traducing others and their respective faiths.

Christians: If Michelle Obama wants to wear a hijab, let her as it is BIBLICAL! There is no reason to go ballistic. Mary is certainly thought to have worn a head covering. Calm down with this ridiculous anti-Muslim rhetoric and you may just be taken seriously for a change and if you stop making sick sex hoaxes up about our faith we may just give you a tub of ice cream!

Negeen, if you cannot argue against Islam from a CONSISTENT standpoint then why leave Islam? I call you to the worship of the God which Jesus prayed to. Now, if Jesus is praying it is telling us he has a god. If that god is good enough for Jesus it is certainly good enough for you. Negeen, that god is none other than the One who created Jesus.

I invite Negeen Mayel to come to Islam by putting aside her inconsistencies and misconceptions.

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Is Sex With Animals Allowed in Islam?


Allegation of Bestiality against Islam is Discussed

Bestiality is not allowed in Islam but some people who are looking to demonise and degrade Muslims (and Islam) erroneously claim it is allowed in Islam.
Expert: Sheikh Ibn Hajar Haytami (1503-1566)

The expert we shall refer to is Ibn Hajar Haytami; he was a classical Muslim scholar who was an expert in Sacred Law (Islamic Law) and a well renowned authority.
This is overwhelming evidence to show the mud-slingers to be wrong.

To be even more thorough we shall offer the reader a chance to browse through (and analyze) the prominent supporting arguments used by those who claim Islam allows sex with animals (bestiality)
The Critics Spin Fiqh (Jurisprudence) Literature

As Muslims have to pray (perform Salah) five times a day whilst being in a state of purification there is a plethora of Fiqh (jurisprudence) literature on what mode of purification (i.e. bath or ablution) is required after a whole range of different occurrences. The critic tries to capitalise on this in order to support his/her malicious claim
So spinning Fiqh literature related to purification is deceptive, especially so if the one spinning the literature knows that the classical scholars considered bestiality to be a sin (i.e. not allowed in Islam)
A Typical Claim Examined

For good measure I have appended a rebuttal, by Bassam Zawadi, to a Christian who was making the argument that Islam allows sex with animals. This Christian’s (Sam Shamoun) work was characterized by the spin of Fiqh which we have touched on in this article and bizarrely enough this Christian was so desperate to see his claim stick he even resorted to making up his OWN translation of a Quranic verse. How debauched can one get! (see appendix 1)
Overall Effects of this Claim

The lack of believability factor in this argument against Islam only serves to counteract the work of the mud-slingers and thus their other claims are further doubted;
as in the case of the boy who cried “wolf”.

Article put together by Yahya Snow

“Bestiality” in this article refers to “Sexual relations between a human and an animal” [1]

Of course, those who have studied religion will find it inconceivable that any religion would allow this practice as religions are forces for conservatism. As a keen student of religion I would disbelieve any religion would allow a sexually depraved practice such as bestiality.

Sadly, Islam is a religion which is being targeted by mud slingers, a worrying side show is that amongst these mud slingers are serious evangelical Christians (see appendix 1)

In an effort to be thorough and treat the claim seriously we shall go through this hateful claim and show it to be false. The quickest way to show a claim to be false is to call in the experts. Let us simply ask an expert on Islam whether sex with animals is allowed or not.

In his list of enormities (sins) he listed bestiality (w52.1, 338-43) as a sin, thus clearly showing sex with animals is not allowed in Islam and is deemed as sinful [2]

That is unequivocally telling us those making this malicious claim against Islam are completely incorrect.

Hadith Literature Denounces Sex with Animals

In fact the experienced apologist, Bassam Zawadi, has already discussed this allegation and brought forward a saying from the Prophet Muhammed (p) which teaches us the prohibition (not allowing) sex with animals:

…Cursed is he who goes in unto (has sex with in other words in Arabic) an animal. Cursed is he who does what the people of Lot did (sodomy; the people of Sodom and Gomorah). (See appendix 1for the full Hadith which is presented by Bassam Zawadi, Sahih Al-Jami’a, page or number 5891)

Thus we see a saying from the Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) warning against sex with animals and pointing it out to be a sin, thus not allowed in Islam (see appendix 1)

Summary

Here we have the classical expert on Islamic Law who teaches us sex with animals is a sin and we have a saying from the Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) teaching us the same thing.

The Accusers Use Anecdotal Stories of Muslims and Falsely Impute this on Islam

You will read/hear the accuser point to stories of Muslim men committing this lewd act in Muslim countries. This will be their basis for claiming Islam allows sex with animals. This type of reasoning by the accusers (mud-slingers) is long on rhetoric but extremely lacking in rational reasoning.

Well, I could give you anecdotal stories of Muslims drinking, eating pork and gambling; would this mean Islam allows such acts?

Of course not, there are many “bad” Muslims who do not practice the religion of Islam in a full capacity and these “bad” Muslims contravene (break) many Islamic rules which a sincere Muslim is meant to observe.

To highlight the fallacious nature of the reasoning on the part of the accuser we can use the examples of Christian sex scandals amongst Christian spiritual leaders or the widespread availability of pornography in “Christian” countries.

Does this mean pornography and extramarital sex is allowed in Christianity? No, certainly not. Thus it would be silly and desperate to claim Islam allows bestiality just because you heard a story of a Muslim committing the depraved act of bestiality.

The fact remains, Islam as a religion disallows this practice.

You may see critics present literature of Fiqh which explains what a man must do in order to purify himself for prayer after committing the act of bestiality and append such material with lurid and sensational claims such as “ISLAMIC LAWS ON HOW TO HAVE SEX WITH ANIMALS”. Of course, this is downright dishonest

As Fiqh is a science which covers all areas of life (and a whole load of possibilities) you will come across some Fiqh literature explaining what a person must do in order to purify himself after sex with an animal.

It is obvious to the reader that the Fiqh literature is not approving the act of bestiality but just giving rulings on purification after certain events.

To highlight a couple of examples we could look at Reliance of the Traveller (A Shafi Fiqh manual); in its purification section (e7.4) we learn a person must perform ablution if he/she touches the private parts of oneself or somebody else’s private parts. [3]

Of course, the Fiqh manual is not saying it is allowed for Muslims to touch other people’s privates but merely gives us rulings on purification if such an instance occurred.

Perhaps these rulings were initiated by questions from people who were tasked with the job of circumcising, doctors or mothers nursing young children.

From the same section we also note ablution is required (for prayer) if one touches the private parts of a deceased person [4]. Again, this does not mean we (as Muslims) are allowed to touch dead people’s privates.

It simply refers to purification IF such an event happened. You can imagine this ruling may have been initiated by questions from people who were tasked with washing and enshrouding bodies of the deceased.

The same applies for Fiqh literature (on purification) concerning those who commit the sin of bestiality. The Fiqh literature is not endorsing the act but simply giving us the mode of purification if somebody did commit this depraved act. (see appendix 1)

You can imagine purification rulings in Fiqh literature related to the sin of bestiality came about because somebody was caught doing such a deed (or rumours of such deeds were abound at the time of the jurist) and people asked regarding the purification route the one who committed the act must take in order to perform Salah (prayer)

Beware of the Forgeries, Spin and Other Malpractice

The critics bring forward a Shia leader, Ayatollah Khomeini, and claim he allowed this practice. His “quotes” are clouded with doubt.

However, this Shia leader did not approve of sex with animals. He was simply giving his opinion related to purification with regards to the crime of bestiality and has become the victim of the spin we have already discussed.

In any case when he spoke of such an act (hypothetically) he appended the words “Allah protect him from it” thus indicating he did not approve of such an action.

“If a man – Allah protect him from it! – fornicates with an animal and ejaculates, ablution is necessary” [5]

As for many quotes attributed to him, on the internet, there is a huge deal of suspicion surrounding the translations and whether they are forgeries or not. An alleged fourth edition of his Tahrir al Wasilah is being denied to ever exist.

For the record, in the interest of fairness, this man (Khomeini) did not appear to approve of bestiality so it would be unfair to accuse him of allowing such an act.

As a side note: any quotations of Khomeini used as a polemic against Islam should just be shrugged off as most Muslims (roughly 90%) do not view him with any authority whatsoever. This seems to be a common ploy used by insincere types against Islam; they use quotations from people who are unaccepted or on the fringe, all the while being contradicted by accepted authorities.

Bogus Argument: There is No Set Punishment in Islam for Bestiality

The other “supporting” material the accuser will use is the claim that Islam does not have a defined punishment for those who have sex with animals. This is an argument which is built on misconception and thrives on fertile imaginations.

It is spin based on a misconception; “The major myth of many people is that judges in Islamic nations have fixed punishments for all crimes. In reality the judges have much greater flexibility than judges under common law.” [6]

Just because a fixed punishment for this sin is not set it does not mean it is allowed in Islam or that it goes unpunished. In fact, it has been clearly shown the act is not allowed in Islam, thus the judge will decide on the punishment for somebody proven to have committed the degrading act of bestiality.

References

[1] Free dictionary http://www.thefreedictionary.com/bestiality

[2] Reliance of the Traveller, Ahmad ibn Naqib al Misri, edited and translated by Nuh Ha Mim Keller, Amana Publications, 1994

[3] Ibid

[4] Ibid

[5] The Little Green Book at the Prophet of Doom, (doubts concerning authenticity of translations).

[6] http://muslim-canada.org/Islam_myths.htm

Appendices

Appendix 1

Bassam Zawadi refutes the “bestiality” argument by a Christian evangelist:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/bassam_zawadi/sexual_ethics.htm

Appendix 2

Interesting reading about Sweden and zoophiles:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article5140576.ece

Muslims Speaking Up

Have you ever heard the Muslim side to a story in the news?

Have you ever heard Muslims explain misconceptions about Islam?

Do you want to hear Muslims speak on the burning issues?

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James White: Hero for Muslims?

It never astounds me to note different depths Christian ministries will go to in order to win Muslim converts. I’m not just talking about “rice-converts” but of course speaking of my findings related to my studies with regard to Christian outreaches to Muslims.

I am desensitized to the gullibility of the Christian audience to simply absorb the material on offer, regardless of the intellectual bankruptcy the material in question espouses; as long as it is from a Christian source they will accept it blindly.

Obvious Example: Ergun Caner

The obvious example would be Dr Ergun Caner (Christian evangelist) and the scandal surrounding him. Of course, I and many other Muslims have been aware of Caner’s wilful deception of his gullible Christian flock for quite some time (see Appendix 1). The real concern is that it takes such a long time for responsible Christians to click on and say “hey this is not on”.
There is an investigation into the whole Caner saga and Christians have began to vocalise their concern and efforts to clean up Christian apologetics, especially Christian apologetics related to Islam.

I have often wondered why Christian evangelists/apologists misinform Muslims or misinform about Islam; I used to simply say to myself it is because the Muslim is the toughest to convert to Christianity, however more refined reflections lead to the thought it is a combination of factors, one of these factors is sheer ignorance on the part of Christians when it concerns Islam.

Dr James White: Cleaning up the Christian Ministries

This leads us nicely to a superficial warrior amongst the Christian arena of apologetics named Dr James White. He has been a source of amplification, of late, in helping bring Dr Ergun Caner to account. Some Christians (Canerites) have had misgivings concerning White’s involvement and intentions. As a Muslim who dabbles in apologetics, from time to time, I must say I was impressed (initially) with White’s stand up type of approach and his desire to do the right thing in bringing Christian outreaches to account (i.e. clean them up)

Actions are Judged on Intentions

James White’s Christian brothers, such as Peter Lumpkins and other Canerites, are viewing White with suspicion. What is White’s motive? Is it really to “seek integrity in ministry”?

It is difficult to believe James White is genuine with his guises of “integrity” and concern for the ministries. James White’s inconsistencies with regards to integrity and evangelical edification intimates White’s motives related to Caner are in some doubt.

White’s lack of regard for “integrity in ministry” is clear for all to see within his actions. Actions speak louder than words, James. (See Appendix 2 and 3)

James, Friends are Family Members you Choose

White has a weak link in his armour on the “integrity” front. He has an association (a friendship) with an internet Christian evangelist named Sam Shamoun. Shamoun is not renowned for his integrity but is renowned for his unscholarly work as well as manner within Christian-Muslim apologetics. (see Appendix 4)

The only thing which precedes Sam Shamoun is his tongue. A tongue which unleashes horrific comments directed at Muslims (individuals he is meant to be “saving”). Naturally this has repulsed a great deal of Muslims, yet James White is still friends with this sub-Christian character.

James White is so loyal to his Caner-esque friend that he has declined opportunities to denounce Shamoun publically. In fact, it is on the contrary, White has endorsed this individual by featuring his work on his blog as “excellent Quranic insights” and declaring Shamoun as having a “vast knowledge of Islam” whilst on air.

Shamoun and White do not exactly make obvious bed fellows but rest assured White’s actions of endorsement, friendship and a refusal to denounce his friend clearly highlight the pair are in league.

White has been under mild pressure from a Muslim debater, Bassam Zawadi, in the past to denounce Shamoun (see Appendix 5). This was met with James White avoiding the issue of Shamoun, basically staying silent on his pal. A silence which spoke volumes in saying White is a hypocrite and has no regard for the “integrity” and has no real desire to clean up Christian apologetics.

James White: One Rule for Caner, Another Rule for My Friend

White essentially operates a double standard when he bashes (to an obsession) Ergun Caner with sticks of “morality” and “integrity”. It is high time White removed himself from this realm of hypocrisy; either he stops with this obsession with Caner or deals some blows to Sam Shamoun with the sticks of “morality” and “integrity”.

Lumpkins and co are barking up the correct tree so far as White’s intentions are concerned; White is not this paragon of sincerity and “integrity” he makes himself out to be whilst pressurizing his Christian brother (Ergun Caner), White’s motives in jumping on Caner are far from sincere. If he genuinely cared for “integrity” he would have dealt with Sam Shamoun by now, we are still waiting for this superhero of the ministries to clean his friend’s act and ministry up. This is a far more pressing issue than Caner; Ergun Caner is all but over, thanks to persistent Muslim investigation by Mohammed Khan, it hardly requires James White to focus all his “integrity” laden energy on delivering the final blow Caner. James, save some of that energy for your pal (Sam Shamoun).

James White: Refuse to be Wrong (Even When Proven to be Wrong)

The embarrassing saga for James White continues. When White with his Arabic teacher (Issam) in tow was bashing Caner’s lack of Arabic in his latest YouTube video he ventured too far, beyond his realm of expertise. White, in an attempt to show off his Arabic teacher, asked Issam to “recite” the first Surah (chapter) from the Quran from memory. Issam recited a few verses in Arabic but it was not Surah al Fatiha (the first Surah in the Quran) as a verse was missed out (see Appendix 2).

White endorsed this “recitation” and presented it as Surah al Fatiha; it was not Surah al Fatiha. I (Yahya Snow) pointed this embarrassing and offensive mistake out to White via a video response.

To my utter amazement White censored my video response and did not even have the courtesy or respect to change/remove the embarrassing and offensive presentation. White’s pride meant he was unwilling to correct his material and would rather leave the inaccurate material for his Christian audience to view, quite simply White showed a complete lack of care for accuracy and honesty; he STILL keeps this inaccurate material on his YouTube page despite knowing it to be inaccurate. White’s pride is leaving his Christian audience with misinformation. Is this the action of a paragon of “integrity” or a man who basically feels he is above error and self-correction?

Essentially, White, his ministry (Alpha and Omega Ministries) and his pal (Issam) are looking foolish in front of all the Muslim audience but White’s pride does not allow him to remove the offending clip and acknowledge his error. This is a huge crime within the setting of genuine Muslim-Christian apologetics, intellectual dishonesty and even deception.

White Chooses Sam Shamoun Over Jesus

It gets worse as White’s unscholarly nature and intellectual
dishonesty is unearthed further. White is also challenged, in the video, to explain his endorsement of Sam Shamoun’s outrageously dishonest and unscholarly practice.

Shamoun, in his attempt to support his argument against Muslim apologists, made his OWN translation of a Quranic verse up (one which was in utter disagreement with all recognised translations of the Quran). For the record it is important to point out that Shamoun is by no means qualified or authorised to translate the Quran or any Quranic verse. This did not stop him; this is James White’s friend we are talking about, scholarly boundaries do not apply to him! (see Appendix 3)

White is Not Whiter than White (an irresistable pun) 🙂


Nevertheless, James White committed abysmal intellectual dishonesty and inconsistency by endorsing it as “excellent Quranic insights”. All this despite Shamoun not even telling his audience he was making his own translation up which disagrees with all the translations on record (i.e. the audience were being wilfully misdirected by James White’s friend). There were other heinous acts of scholarly savagery which were present within the article endorsed by none other than the man of “integrity”, Dr James White

The hypocrisy (inconsistency) of White sets in because there is NO way White would allow a Muslim to do the same to the Bible. White presents himself as a staunch advocate of consistency yet disregards all he holds sacred in order to support his friend Sam Shamoun. (see Appendix 6)

Caner Vs White

Dr Ergun Caner has his faults and his fair share of controversy; so does Dr James White. Yet, White compounds his problems by jumping on the “bash Caner bandwagon”. James, pride always comes before a fall!

White abandoned Caner under the guise of “integrity” but will not abandon Sam Shamoun who is notorious for his anti-Christian behaviour and his shoddy scholarship. In fact, to further present the picture of the real Sam Shamoun it would be advisable to note Muslim apologists/debaters have refused to engage him based on a moral question. It does not get any worse for a Christian ministry when their leader is being shunned on grounds of morality, where is James White to clean up the ministries?

James White’s silence on this issue speaks volumes, it really does.
Will we be seeing Christians abandon White and bash him with sticks of “integrity” and “morality” in order to clean up the ministries?

Written by Yahya Snow


Appendices

Appendix 1:

Ergun Caner of Liberty Baptist Theological Seminary has been under scrutiny for some time:
http://www.youtube.com/user/mokhan247


Appendix 2:

James White being hypocritical, unscholarly and misleading (REFUSING to be WRONE, even When he KNOWS he is WRONG):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fg6D2iuXBcw

Appendix 3:

James White challenged to prove his intellectual and scholarly integrity:
http://thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.com/2010/06/dr-james-white-challenged-to-prove-his.html

Appendix 4:

One example of James White’s friend, Sam Shamoun:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1mT-pw1WEc

Appendix 5:

Bassam Zawadi invites the man James white to rebuke his friend’s unchristian behaviour:
http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/james_white_s_inconsistency__his_refusal_to_speak_against_his_highly_ill_mannered_friend_sam_shamoun

Appendix 6:

Sam Shamoun making his own Quranic translation of a verse and keeping it quiet (amongst other things):
http://thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.com/2010/05/appeal-to-dr-james-white-and-his.html

Shamoun and his friend are being shunned byMuslims due to their unChristian behaviour:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NuGv72FTRI

Appendix 7

A couple emails sent to Dr White at alpha and omega ministries (aomin), please ignore the typographical errors, these emails were met with silence along with the shorter emails sending him links to my material referring to him:

Sir,

I noted your unapproval of my video response concerning Sam Shamoun. I would like to remind you of the serious nature of the allegations/intimations withinthe said video.

I have given up hope of you responding which leaves me with the conclusion that you support uncholarly endeavour when it concerns the Quran but Muslims are not allowed to do the same to the Bible. This is a harsh conclusion; I was hoping you would have taken the time out to clear your name instead of simply resorting to censorship.

If I may, I will leave you with a parting shot; how can you rebuke Ergun Caner and be free from a double standard?

I genuinely believe this is another sad chapter added to the huge volume which concerns misbehaviour amongst Christian outreaches (ministries) to Muslims.

http://thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.com/2010/06/dr-james-white-challenged-to-prove-his.html

Yahya Snow

Dear Sir,

I have been waiting a good while for your response to my blog postings and YouTube videos related to the Sam Shamoun saga. I was little surprised in seeing you unapprove my video.

In my view this issue concerning Shamoun is more pressing than the issue of Caner.

Please let me know whether you are considering a response, if you are not looking to respond then please letme know so I can get some closure and concentrate fully on other projects.

Thanks

Yahya Snow