Aqil Onque on John 3:16


1.       The need of blood for atonement fabrication

2.       The human god sacrifice fabrication

3.       The Original sin fabrication

4.       The holy god versus the unholy man fabrication

5.       The forgiveness fabrication

In refuting my friend CL Edwards we will be looking a
bit deeper at the pivotal verse of Christian faith and doctrine found in the
book of John, 3:16. This may in fact be the most quoted verse in the Bible,
while also the most misunderstood one as well. The Christian taunts this verse
and hails it the nonbeliever any chance possible. But, it’s the false notion
and misunderstanding in which they assault people that is the problem. The
verse is not an isolated verse that can be cited without looking at the
doctrinal implications behind it. And, though many things are left for
interpretation, the bible thumper loves to decorate this verse with all of the
extra curricula doctrine that was not taught by Jesus himself. For instance,
they love to imply that this verse is referring to the alleged death and
resurrection of Jesus. However, such a doctrine and belief was NEVER taught by
We are hard pressed to find any teaching of Jesus, from the words of
Jesus, that his mission was to come and die and be resurrected for the sins of
man to be forgiven. Rather it is Paul who says that if Christ was not raised,
then your faith is in vain… 1 Corr 15:14-17.
But given this Pauline reality and teaching, everything is viewed
through his theology and doctrine. Just look at the fact that John 3:16 does
not have any mention of Jesus dying or being raised up. Rather it just mentions
that out of the love of God, He gave Jesus… But, no Christian will quote this
verse without telling you that it means the death and resurrection of Jesus!
Why? Because they have been brainwashed and indoctrinated to do so. But this
aside, let us look at some of the theological consequence and relationships of
John 3:16 with Christian doctrine.

I would like to look at it in relation to 5 core
Christian beliefs, and then refute each of those beliefs as non biblical and
contradictory , all the while connecting it to the conclusion of John 3:16,
while showing that John 3:16 in fact, in truth don’t support anything! Not even
the love of God it tries to impress upon us. Those 5 core beliefs are the

The sole need of blood for atonement (fabrication)

The human god sacrifice (fabrication)

The Original sin (fabrication)

The holy God versus the unholy man (fabrication)

The unconditional love and forgiveness

Before we explore these 5 core Christian beliefs, let
us first have a look at the verse in John under discussion.

God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes
in him shall not perish but have eternal life.”
John 3:16 NIV

There are 4 clear declarations in this verse;

That God loved the world

That, because of this love, God gave
His son

That God only has One and only One son

That whoever believes in this son,
will not perish but have everlasting life

A few words about these points, before we look at our 5
core Christian beliefs in relation to the verse itself.
  The idea of the love, unconditional love of
God as implied and declared by Christians. When we truly examine this and the
total Christine doctrine, we must conclude with either, that this expression of
love is a farse and lie, or that the god of John 3:16 has failed miserably in
truly expressing his love. How you ask? Consider this. The verse clearly
connects the fact that the son was given, due to the love of God for the world.
So, basically, giving the son was God’s way of expressing His love to the
world! But, the problem arises in the related doctrine of the Christian and
that is in Predestination. The Christian believes that it is solely God that
elects His believers and man has absolutely no role in receiving the grace of
This is most clear in the statement of Paul in Ephesians 2:8-9. So, if it
is God alone that elects those who will believe, without any action of man that
would warrant election or rejection, then this expression of giving the son, so
that to believe in him would allow for eternal life, all because of the love of
God for the world is a hoax and a lie! Because, how could anyone benefit from
the son, when ultimately, God is the one that elects those who will in fact
believe. It’s like for an example, if I have 10 or more children and I promised
to buy them all new cars because of my love for them, but I know that I will
only allow a few of them to drive, while the others will never be able to, then
how is this act of buying them cars a true expression of my love? For my
expression brings absolutely no benefit to them, which means that either, my
expression of loving in giving them the cars (giving his son) was either a
deceptive lie, or I failed in truly loving them all as I stated, for I was only
able to benefit a few, in spite of my statement to all.
  And the intent for benefit is clearly made
clear, for accepting the son is what is said will allow for eternal life. So,
clearly God intent was to benefit by the giving of the son. But in what way did
those benefit, who were never elected by God? So it is clear that this verse
and what it attempts to propose is inconsistent and incongruous with what was
stated by Paul in Ephesians 2:8-9.

The next point is the idea that gave His son. What does
son mean here? Is this some special kind of son? Which joins the us to the
point of this verse in which it says that he is the one and Only son, only
begotten son! God has many sons in the Bible! Adam is called the son of God!
Angels are called the sons of God. So what is it about this sonship that is so
special? Could it be the idea that Jesus was the Only begotten son? Well, this
is false also, as God declares himself that he had begotten David! Thus, it is
impossible for God to have only One begotten son, when in fact there are more
than one begotten son clearly attributed to god.
Lastly, the idea
of believing in the son brings everlasting life. Well, again, according to
Christian doctrine,
  god is the sole
decider of those elect. Man, has absolutely no part to play in the election of
God. Thus, believing in the son means nothing, because if God didn’t elect you,
your belief means nothing. Its just a wasted life. And this is most in the word
of Jesus in the book of 
Matthew 7:21-23 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord,
Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of
my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that
day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out
demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I
will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
it becomes quite clear, that the Christian finds himself in a serious quagmire.
On the one hand he wants to believe in Christ for salvation, although he really
has no ability to decide this. Further, if in fact he did believe, this belief
of his does not assure him salvation as was promised, due to the fact that many
will be rejected by Christ! So, basically, damned if you don’t and maybe damned
if you do as well. Good luck.
were some quick thoughts on John 3:16, let us turn our attention now to the 5
core Christian beliefs that fails up against the verse under discussion and is
either contradicted by it, or contradicts it. Thus concluding that the Christian
doctrine and faith fails, as it is a self defeating doctrine and theology from
the position of its scripture and non scripture based beliefs.
The Christian has
been tricked and programmed to accept a completely fabricated doctrine as it
relates to the former scripture position on atonement and the use of blood. The
Christian new blood doctrine is an absolute stress on the fact that blood is the
ONLY means to forgiveness and that without blood, there is no remission of sin!
This is found in the book of Hebrews 9:22.
There are a number
of problems here. First and foremost, such an understanding NEVER was
understood by the Jewish community from ever before! And this is a very
essential point. Further, there is NOTHING in the Old Testament that supports
such an exaggerated and forged belief! Rather, the Old Testament states the
opposite, and promotes repentance and forgiveness without any blood sacrifice!
For example; Ez. 33:11-16, Ez. 18:20-24, 2Chr. 7:14, Is. 55:7,
   Hos. 6:6, Ps. 51:17, 1Sam. 15:22 and others.
What one will find is that, in these verses, it is most clear, that blood is
not at all a necessity for atonement and forgiveness. Actually, what one finds
in the Old Testament about repentance is that, one can easily petition God for
forgiveness through prayer and repentance while never needing or using any
blood sacrifice, while on the other hand, any use of a blood sacrifice would
and could never be completed without prayer and petitioning God for atonement.
Yet, here comes Christianity and turns this practice completely upside down so
that they can muster in this exclusively blood atonement doctrine, that could
only be satisfied by
 the sacrifice of
the blood of a human god, an incarnate god!

Further, the main
catalyst for this doctrine is found in the book of Hebrews. It has become
common knowledge, that the Scholars of the Bible are almost unanimous that
author of the book of Hebrews is UNKNOWN!
Thus, we are burdened with an unknown
doctrine, presented by an unknown author! Are we really to take this serious?
Another point to
consider is the fact the sin offering was predominantly for “UNINTENTIONAL”
sin. Though there are some cases in which it extended outside of that, the
common practice and stance was that it was for unintentional sins, brought with
confession for atonement. Please see, Lev. 5:14-19, Lev. 7:7-11, Num. 15:27-30,
So, given this fact, that blood sacrifice was not required for all sins, and
that intentional and severe sins demanded much more than any blood atonement
could do, how did we get to the doctrine that, without the spilling of blood,
there is no remission of sins? Who taught this? Abraham? Moses? Jesus? Who? The
author of the book of Hebrews! And who is that? Who? I hope you understand now.
Closing this
point, I would like to cite a very insightful verse from the Qur’an that truly
puts this discussion in it proper context. In Surah Hajj, 22:37 after mentioning
about the animals of sacrifice, though in a different context, but very
relevant in principle, it states;
“Their meat will not reach ALLAH, nor will
their blood, but what reaches Him is piety from you. Thus have We subjected
them to you that you may glorify ALLAH for that [to] which He has guided you;
and give good tiding to the doers of good.”
The verse makes it quite clear that God is concerned with our obedience
and devotion to Him, not concerned about the blood involved in any act. The
blood or nothing else reaches God, but rather the demonstration and striving of
the servant to do their best to satisfy the commands of their Lord!

In conclusion of
this first point, as this relates to John 3:16, it becomes clearer now how this
verse of John 3:16 has almost no relevance! If the Christians insist that we as
humanity needed an ultimate blood sacrifice, thus God, knowing this, out of His
love sent Jesus for this, then we have to beg the question, did we in fact need
a blood sacrifice for atonement? The burden of proof is upon the Christian to
prove this! And we know that can’t be done from the Old Testament, as we have
proven! So, what do they have to prove their case? We think nothing, but we
will wait and see
The great Christian reformer and theologian of
the 16
th century Martin Luther, commenting on the self loathing and
despised doctrine of Christianity said the following; “
The most damnable and
pernicious heresy that has ever plagued the mind of man is that somehow he can
make himself good enough to deserve to live with an All Holy God.”
Echoing such a mentality, the Christians  berate the world with quotes and doctrines of
self loathing and self despised rhetoric, that traps the individual into a
downward spiral of moral regress. All done, to build up the human/god
doctrine! To read some of the earliest writings from the church fathers on how
they viewed the self and the world will make you lose your lunch in your lap if
you were not prepared. One can get a glimpse of this sinister doctrine by
reading the writings of Paul in the New Testament. For instance read the more
famous support for this in Romans 3:10-18. And then there is the infamous
  quote (always out of context) of Isaiah 64:6,
in which it states that our righteousness is like that of filthy rags…
Such non contextual quotes, along with other
passages have a two fold effect and both are un Godly and unproductive.
  The first is that such a pathetic disposition
prepares you for the blasphemous doctrine of incarnation of God. For he is so
filthy, that God won’t even look his way! Thus, the only way that God can help
man is if God becomes man! Die, so that the holy blood of the incarnate god can
be spilled for the remission of sins for man once and for all! The second
effect, is that, such a doctrine instills in the subconscious of the self to be
content with being lowly and never aspire to rising above and challenging
oneself to be better in deeds before God. Well, why would you when your deeds
will be considered like filthy rags anyway. So, remain pathetic and depend upon
some divine savior.

In any case, this doctrine is again in opposition
to the Old Testament teachings and understandings of the people for over
thousands of years before the New Testament and the new Christian faith. One
will find explicit and strong verses like Jeremiah 17:10 where is states;
the Lord search the heart and examine the mind, to reward a man according to
his conduct, according to what his deeds deserve.”
Verses like this and what we
read in Psalms 37:27-29 and many other verses, all show that God is expecting
from us good deeds. They are not to be done to boast amongst men, because only
God knows who are the true, but certainly, they are a token of our deep
gratitude to God and also a petition to God for His favor and reward. Thus, new
doctrines as is taught by the Christians of this idea no self worth is paralyzing
and un Godly.
Now that we cleared that up, lets us look a bit
at this need for a human/god and its related belief. Given that we have proven
from the Bible that God actually encourages us to do good works and to expect
to be rewarded for it, we are in no need for God to come down himself and save
us because we are too unclean and unworthy to even be alive! NO! Rather, God
wants to see the best of us. God wants to bring out the best in us and have us
achieve our maximum human potential, to be as righteous and faithful and
sincere as possible. All for His glory! Not that we sit on our unholy bottoms
waiting for some savior to rescue us from our lowly despised states! NO! Rise
up and be counted and do your level best before God, for your salvation depends
on it! As is stated in the Qur’an, 17:13-14
“And [for] every person, We have
imposed his fate upon his neck, and We will produce for him on the day of
Resurrection a record which will he will encounter spread open. [It will be
said], Read your record! Sufficient is yourself against you (or for you) this
day as accountant.”
In conclusion of this second point, as this relates
to John 3:16, after looking at the historical picture of relationship that man
has with God in trying his best to work righteousness and earn His favor, we
see that we are not by default despised and filthy and unworthy before God.
Rather we have an honor and dignity that God gave us above everything in
creation, as
  is beautifully articulated
in the Qur’an when it states, 17:70, “Indeed, We have honored, (dignified) the
children of Adam…” So we sit not inept, but empowered by God to be His
representative and to lead the true way of life back to Him.
  We are not pathetic and in need of a savior
to come die for our sins. What we are in need of is the Divine Watch of our
Lord and His guidance through His Scripture and Messengers and His forgiveness
as we traverse this path. Thus we conclude that the Bible itself, the Old
Testament and even passages in the New Testament refutes the idea of John 3:16,
as commonly interpreted to us but the bible thumpers.


In what is has remained to be the irrefutable
refutation of this Christian doctrine, the most clear and explicit verses of
Ezekiel 18:1-24, we cite for you in this point.
The word of the Lord came to me: “What do
you people mean by quoting this proverb about the land of Israel:
“ ‘The parents eat sour grapes, and the children’s teeth are set on edge’? “As
surely as I live, declares the Sovereign Lord, you will
no longer quote this proverb in Israel.
For everyone belongs to me, the parent as well as the child—both alike belong
to me.
The one who sins is the one who will die. “Suppose there is a righteous
man who does what is just and right. He does not eat at the mountain shrines or
look to the idols of Israel.
He does not defile his neighbor’s wife or have sexual relations with a woman
during her period. He does not oppress anyone, but returns what he took in
pledge for a loan. He does not commit robbery but gives his food to the hungry
and provides clothing for the naked. He does not lend to them at interest or
take a profit from them. He withholds his hand from doing wrong and judges
fairly between two parties. He follows my decrees and faithfully keeps my laws.
That man is righteous; he will surely live, declares the Sovereign Lord. “Suppose he has a violent son, who sheds blood or does
any of these other things
(though the
father has done none of them): “He eats at the mountain shrines. He defiles his
neighbor’s wife. He oppresses the poor and needy. He commits robbery. He does
not return what he took in pledge. He looks to the idols. He does detestable
things. He lends at interest and takes a profit. Will such a man live? He will
not! Because he has done all these detestable things, he is to be put to death;
his blood will be on his own head. “But suppose this son has a son who sees all
the sins his father commits, and though he sees them, he does not do such
things: “He does not eat at the mountain shrines or look to the idols of Israel. He does
not defile his neighbor’s wife.
He does not oppress anyone or require a pledge
for a loan. He does not commit robbery but gives his food to the hungry and
provides clothing for the naked. He withholds his hand from mistreating the
poor and takes no interest or profit from them. He keeps my laws and follows my
decrees. He will not die for his father’s sin; he will surely live. But his
father will die for his own sin, because he practiced extortion, robbed his
brother and did what was wrong among his people. “Yet you ask, ‘Why does the
son not share the guilt of his father?’ Since the son has done what is just and
right and has been careful to keep all my decrees, he will surely live. The one
who sins is the one who will die. The child will not share the guilt of the
parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child. The righteousness of
the righteous will be credited to them, and the wickedness of the wicked will
be charged against them. “But if a wicked person turns away from all the sins
they have committed and keeps all my decrees and does what is just and right,
that person will surely live; they will not die. None of the offenses they have
committed will be remembered against them. Because of the righteous things they
have done, they will live. Do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked?
declares the Sovereign Lord. Rather, am I not pleased
when they turn from their ways and live? “But if a righteous person turns from
their righteousness and commits sin and does the same detestable things the
wicked person does, will they live? None of the righteous things that person
has done will be remembered.
Because of the unfaithfulness they are guilty of
and because of the sins they have committed, they will die
This is the Jewish teaching on sin! This was
Jesus’ teaching on sin! This was Moses and Aaron and all of the Prophets and Messengers
teaching on sin! So where did we get this doctrine of original sin from? Yep,
you guessed it. Paul again! As he make this doctrine clear in Romans 5:19 and
most explicit in 1 Corinthians 15:22. But, how does he promote such a doctrine
so fundamentally opposed to the Jewish teaching? The secret to the answer lies
in the fact that Paul was adamant about being the appointed apostle of Jesus
that would preach to the Gentiles! Why? Because he knew quite well that his new
message could no way resonate with a serious Jewish audience. For they knew
such ideas as original sin, incarnate, human sacrifice and all of these paganistic
influences into their Jewish faith was unacceptable.
A quick consideration to ask you, as we discuss
original sin, that you keep in mind that this is the same doctrine responsible
for the corrupted belief that will put millions of innocent children into the
blaze of hell, all because of the fact that sin is supposedly inherited. And
because God is so holy and sin is so lowly, that even a baby who have not
accepted the only means of sin remission, which is the blood of Jesus, will be
cast into hell, because God can’t bear to look at him. Yes, an innocent baby is
not even spared from original sin. Just something to keep in mind
In conclusion of this third point, as it relate
to John 3:16, it is obviously clear that original sin doctrine is a concocted
heretical belief. This being proven by the extensive quote from Ezekiel
18:1-24. This being the case, if no one can die for the sin of another, then
what purpose would a savior who die for your sins be?
  Again, proving the fallacy of the verse of
John 3:16


Though this is not a doctrine of the Christians as
stated, the concept is one deeply entrenched into the thoughts and theology of
the Christians. Now, we will all proclaim the Exaltedness of God and how far
removed He is from being associated in being and essence with man! But never
will we stoop to such a low opinion of God, that he has made the human being so
vile and corrupt and wicked and filthy and stained and detestable and unworthy
and inept that the only way that this creation of His could ever receive
redemption and salvation is if God himself had to come and die!

How would you feel if your father considered you so
  that he didn’t even want you
to tell people you were his son? He was so ashamed of you that he could not
even bear to look at you!
  You were so
worthless, that no matter what you did, even of good, it amounted to absolutely
nothing? How would you feel? Well, try to understand that this is the way the
Christians view God over man. They may deny it, because who would in their
right mind accept such an idea? But, when you explore the theology and doctrine
of the Christians, this is what you will come up with! Such beliefs is the
essence of making the idea of
incarnate god a savior for man. Have you ever talked with a Christian? Have you
ever heard him say, we are too unclean? What do you think he means? Ask him.
But in the meantime, lets quote again Martin Luther, the leader of the
  reformation and movement of
the 16
th century; he said: 
The most damnable and pernicious heresy that has ever plagued the
mind of man is that somehow he can make himself good enough to deserve to live
with an All Holy God.” And this is just one quote. There are literally tons of
such expressions from the early church fathers on this idea.

Now, the question that needs to be asked
and addressed is this, how did man ever have any kind of fruitful personal
relationship with God prior to the advent of Jesus? If the Christians believes
that God has such a loathing attitude towards man because he is stained with
sin, then how did man last the tolerance of God for so long? Of course, we see
a quite different narrative in the Old Testament, but we are interested in the
Christian answering these questions, for it is their theology and doctrine that
promotes it. We would like to hear what they really have to say about it and
their proof texts from the Old Testament.

In conclusion of this fourth point, as it
relates to the verse John 3:16, if it is proven, and we believe that it is,
that the relationship between God and man was not as strained as the Christians
would have us to think, then there would be no need for a savior, as man could,
as he was turning to god in repentance long before the arrival and departure of
Jesus! Further, if this doctrine is true, then another question arises. Why
were the first followers of Jesus, even after his departure they were still
making sin and guilt offerings? If Jesus act on the cross was the ultimate
sacrifice, then what were Peter and James and the others still making
sacrifices at the temple? It’s makes absolutely no sense! Just a bit more to think
about and another question to ask our Christian friends pushing the bible down
your throat. Take a minute to cough, and ask a couple of questions
yourself.  So, we see again the failure
of John 3:16. What need was there for a savior, a divine savior, when man was
already turning to God for forgiveness? Forgiveness? That brings us to our next
and final point.


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