Strange Christian Apologist Believes Rape is Allowed in the Bible?
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Friday, 26 July 2013
The worst Christian explanation of ‘Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.’?
Do these Christian apologists actually think about what they are saying or do they automatically assume their Christian audience is half-asleep and/or stultified of mind?
Here’s the passage the Christian apologist attempts to explain:
17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. [Numbers 31:17-18 NIV]
Watch this astonishingly confusing explanation of Numbers 31:17-18
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What’s that I hear?
Do I hear a stampede of disgruntled Christian donors to this Christian apologist’s house asking for their cash back? Do I hear Bassim Gorial calling the bank to cancel any cheques he handed this man for such an insufficient and confusing explanation?
I remember reading in a book that said all the intelligentsia left Christianity for communism a few decades ago. I genuinely believe Christians have lost many of their intellectuals to secular humanism in current times and thus are reliant on a string of apologists who are not the best intellectually (in the case of this Christian apologist, Sam Shamoun, almost bankrupt in this regard).
I can say I’ve had some dealings with this particular apologist, Mr Shamoun, he strikes me as somebody who is quite dim and even lacking mental balance:
The question I have for the Christians out there, why are you relying on folklike the apologist in the video? Surely it only presents you and your community in a negative (and even intellectually dishonest) light…
I publish this video to counter this man’s money making operations on the net and warn people from his shoddy and intellectually dishonest apologetics. Do you really think he should get paid for such arguments?
This is one of the problems with amateur Christian apologists who are collecting cash on the net. Rather than just saying they don’t know, they turn up with a dud light-bulb stuck to their head presenting theories that just don’t make sense and/or make them look intellectually dishonest.
As for the Numbers 31:17-18 that Christians (and Jews) struggle with, why not just accept a Muslim understanding of them – that’s to say you don’t know whether those teachings are actually from God or just forgeries added to the OT?! Simple. Problem solved!
Christians need to stop employing amateur Christian apologists who make stuff up to make them feel better about Old Testament passages they don’t understand.
For a believer, if they believe God did something they don’t need to make up excuses.
Invitation to something better
Jesus taught people to do the Will of God (Mark 3:35) in order to become his brothers, mothers or sisters. A Muslim means one who submits to the Will of God. Do you want to become a brother of Jesus? If yes, become a Muslim. Now is the time.
Learn about Islam:
Saturday, 20 July 2013
To the Angry Christians out there who are insulting Muslims based on Muslim minimum age of sex being puberty, please look into your Bible and realise it’s the SAME for the Bible too.
The problem with these Christian critics is simple, they just don’t know what their own Bible teaches them. These people are so busy putting others down yet don’t even realise they are putting their own Bible down (literally and metaphorically) in the process.
There is an interesting sign for those who reflect, it’s interesting that the biggest criticism (marriage to Aisha) Christian critics presented to attack the Prophetic brother of Prophet Jesus (Prophet Muhammad pbut)is actually perfectly acceptable according to the Bible. Think about it.
It’s time for these Christians to repent to God (the God of Prophet Jesus).
Christian apologist claims Bible age of consent is puberty:
Monday, 15 July 2013
Why Sam Shamoun Abuses Muslims and Former Christians
BTW Paul, the reason I get on you is because of your blasphemous rants and smear campaigns against committed Evangelicals like David Wood and James White. if you were to stop with your filthy blasphemies, i.e. “Don’t crucify me” (comment to Andalusi in your first debate with Green), “Praise the Lord, Jesus has spoken,” then I would actually hail you as a top Muslim apologist who is actually quite well read when it comes to current NT scholarship. I don’t mind your arguments, what I mind is your hatred of Evangelical Christianity and blasphemous slurs against the Jesus of the NT. If you want more people to take you seriously then you need to drop the rhetoric. If you do then I will treat you with respect. Let me know how you want to proceed from here on end.
BTW Paul, the reason I get on you is because of your blasphemous rants and smear campaigns against committed Evangelicals like David Wood and James White.
if you were to stop with your filthy blasphemies, i.e. “Don’t crucify me” (comment to Andalusi in your first debate with Green), “Praise the Lord, Jesus has spoken,” then I would actually hail you as a top Muslim apologist who is actually quite well read when it comes to current NT scholarship.
I don’t mind your arguments, what I mind is your hatred of Evangelical Christianity and blasphemous slurs against the Jesus of the NT.
If you want more people to take you seriously then you need to drop the rhetoric. If you do then I will treat you with respect. Let me know how you want to proceed from here on end.
NOTE: Article written by Ijaz Ahmad of Calling Christians. Highlighting is my own. The original article can be seen here:
My opinion: Sam Shamoun has taken to abusing me via email and also spam comments on this blog. He does not like people pointing out his errors, outright dishonesty and misbehaviour. Folk such as Anthony Rogers continue to hang with him (perhaps out of fear or a misguided sense of Christian unity) whilst others such as Negeen Mayel have left the anti-Muslim cesspit which Shamoun has been drowning in for a long while
Sam Shamoun – Idiotic Arguments:
Proof Sam Shamoun is a Fool:
Is this Sam Shamoun fella off his rocker? This video further highlights the man’s idiocy and hatred. This Sam Shamoun fella actually insults his modern-day Bible just to poke fun at Muslims. He professes to be a Christian apologist too. What an idiot!
Sam, wake up.
Stop wasting your life PRESENTING STUPID ARGUMENTS and spamming on my blog. Go away, drop your hatred of Muslims and Islam, rethink your life and your religion.
Learn about Islam:
Sunday, 14 July 2013
An article written by their chief writer Sam Shamoun contained some deceptive quoting which one of their other contributors (Anthony Rogers) used in a debate against a Muslim opponent on whether Prophet Muhammad (p) is mentioned in their modern-day Bible.
Watch this shocking video highlighting the manner in which AnsweringIslam.org is even conning its own Christian colleagues!
Anthony Rogers Conned by AnsweringIslam.org
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Anthony Rogers – does he have enough moral and testicular fortitude to speak out?
It’s important for Christians to speak out against such dishonesty. So far Anthony has not spoken out. Don’t be afraid Anthony, speak the truth…
Does Answeringislam.org believe in all their resurrection stories unlike William Lane Craig?:
Wednesday, 10 July 2013
Does Answeringislam.org believe in all their resurrection stories unlike William Lane Craig?:
The Sam Shamoun section:
Monday, 8 July 2013
Note, in this video the Bible is not referenced to mock the Christian or attack those related beliefs but to simply highlight the ignorance, foolishness and hypocrisy of the Christian ‘apologist’ Sam Shamoun. It’s amazing this man has resorted to throwing his Bible behind his back and is now using atheistic arguments to attack Islam and Muslims. Such is his hatred of Muslims and Islam.
Fool Alert: Sam Shamoun Arguing Against Islam
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Shamoun attacked the Muslim belief that Satan (a Jinn) has bowel movements and urinates. Shamoun attacks it as he believes it’s ‘irrtiaonal’. Yet the fool believes Satan can have sex with human women and impregnate them (thus according to his beliefs Satan produces sperm). This fool threw his Christian beliefs under the bus to simply use atheistic arguments against Islam. Such is his hatred for Islam that he is willing to disregard the Bible to attack Islam. FOOL!
Shamoun also attacks a hadith of a miracle of people hearing food glorifying Allah. Shamoun lies and claims the food was talking to Prophet Muhammad and praising him. However Shamoun’s main contention is that he believes hearing food glorifying God is ‘irrational’ . Erm, this FOOL forgets according to the Bible Christians must believe in talking animals (donkey and serpent) and the FOOL forgets he also believes in other miracles according to the Bible such as Jesus walking on water, resurrections, changing water into wine etc.
So the FOOL simply shows himself to be insulting the accounts of miracles in the Bible whilst using atheistic arguments to attack Islam. Such is this man’s hatred of Islam – he will throw his own Christian teachings under the bus at the whiff of an opportunity to attack Muslims and Islam. FOOL!
Learn about Islam:
Sunday, 7 July 2013
Paradise is Physical and Spiritual
This video covers the myth some Christian missionaries present and/or perpetuate of the Muslim belief in Paradise being solely physical. This of course is incorrect, for a Muslim the greatest pleasure is that of seeing Allah. Being in the presence of Allah and being able to see him is a spiritual experience which we should all strive for. For a Muslim, in this life, the spirituality of praying to Allah is unrivalled even in this world – our favourite food and other activities cannot beat the experience Muslims feel when worshipping God in this life. So why should anybody think that the physical would surpass the spiritual in Heaven? It won’t.
Sex in Paradise
The video also covers the inconsistent attacks of the Muslim belief that sex is something that does occur in Paradise. For some reason this is a chief objection by Christians – perhaps some use it in a disingenuous fashion to portray Muslims in a manner akin to the sexually-negative portrayals Christian orientalists of the past did. The video expands on Dr Shabir Ally’s teachings of there being nothing wrong with sex in Paradise and that it actually helps Muslims to abstain from illicit sexual intercourse in this life.
Dr Shabir Ally makes the point that those who do not believe sex is not something they will experience in Paradise are more likely to fall into the pitfall of adultery and/or fornication (sexual sins). Dr Ally’s claims are actually backed up by statistics where it is shown 80% of young evangelical Christians in America engage in sex before marriage whilst a recent study has shown Muslims to be the best behaved with it comes to sex out of all the major faith groups:
Christian missionaries need to stop with such lines of argumentation, try thinking and reflecting upon Muslim teachings and argumentations. If you do so genuinely you will realise the Muslim has the stronger argumentation.
Saturday, 6 July 2013
This popular video of Dr Shabir Ally dressing down an internet Christian ‘missionary’ called Sam Shamoun is still playing on the mind of Shamoun and his followers to this day despite it being over a decade old.
Here is the video where Sam Shamoun is made to look a blithering fool by Dr Shabir Ally:
Recently I rebuked Sam Shamoun and his buddies for their lewd comments concerning the male gentialia on a Christian missionary TV station, ABN:
Shamoun’s response was not to apologise but just humiliate himself further and show his ignorance and complete disregard of the Bible. Shamoun and one of his followers proceeded to spam my blog with any material that Shamoun could get his hands on which contained the mention of breasts or male genitalia as though that material is equivalent to Shamoun’s lewd jokes about erection sizes on Christian TV. What a blithering fool!
This fool has clearly not learned from Dr Shabir Ally’s admonition – where Shamoun was inexplicably comparing the following with the mention of the word kawaaib
She lusted after lovers with genitals as large as a donkey’s and emissions like those of a horse. And so, Oholibah, you relived your former days as a young girl in Egypt, when you first allowed your breasts to be fondled. [Ezekiel 23:20-21 NLT]
Aside from the above verses I would like to point you to the fact Christians believe oral sex is in the Bible too (Song of Solomon). See here for the well-known Pastor Mark Driscoll state oral sex is in the Bible (see the 3.10 – 3.25 video timeframe):
Meet the fools
Now any self-respecting and Bible-respecting Christian is not going to spam Muslim comment boards with anything in Muslim sources which mention breasts or genitalia whilst knowing of that passage in Ezekiel and of their belief that oral sex is in Song of Solomon. It would just be insulting the Bible indirectly, right?
Well, meet the blithering fool Sam Shamoun and his lackey Radical Moderate. Please note, I’m not using any Bible verse to insult Christians or argue against the Bible itself but basically to highlight the sheer foolishness and inconsistency of these Christian bigots.
Here’s their spamming of translations of the Quran and commentaries mentioning breasts – this weirdo even capitalises the word breasts as though he is some silly school boy:
Surely for the godfearing awaits a place of security, gardens and vineyards and maidens with swelling breasts, like of age, and a cup overflowing. Therein they shall hear no idle talk, no cry of lies, for a recompense from thy Lord, a gift, a reckoning, S. 78:31-36 Arberry
Compare how the following English versions translate Q. 78:33:
And young full-breasted (mature) maidens of equal age; Hilali-Khan
maidens with pears-shaped breasts who are of equal age (to their spouses) Muhammad Sarwar
and girls with swelling breasts of the same age as themselves, Palmer
And damsels with swelling breasts, their peers in age, Rodwell
and [damsels] with swelling breasts, of equal age [with themselves], Sale
And here is how Muhammad and the Islamic expositors explained these verses:
meaning, wide-eyed maidens WITH FULLY DEVELOPED BREASTS. Ibn ‘Abbas, Mujahid and others have said…
“This means ROUND BREASTS. They meant by this THAT THE BREASTS OF THESE GIRLS WILL BE FULLY ROUNDED AND NOT SAGGING, because they will be virgins, equal in age…” (Tafsir Ibn Kathir, Q. 78:33; bold and capital emphasis ours)
Another famous commentator, ar-Razi, stated in his Tafsir (Volume 8, p. 311) that:
“The kawa`ib are the buxom girls (nawahid) whose breasts have become FULL (taka“abat) and ROUND (tafallakat).” (Bold and capital emphasis ours)
The word Kawaaib in classical Arabic indicates a young woman’s age – not her physical attributes. It has no sexual connotation. See the following video from the 5.16 timeframe:
Apart from his obvious immaturity this Christian clearly shows he must have the same issues with the word breasts in the Bible. In fact, the Biblical verse in Ezekiel actually talks about breasts being fondled. I guess he has capitalised and highlighted this in his copy of the Bible. What an immature fool.
If he wants more occurrences of the word ‘breasts’ in the Bible here are the search results for that word in the Bible:
I’d imagine Shamoun will have a lot of capitalising and highlighting on his to-do list tonight.
Old dogs can’t learn new tricks – Shamoun comes up with the same old refuted stuff
Shamoun goes overboard with the mention of the Arabic word farj. This just highlights Shamoun’s dishonesty as he has already been refuted on this before, see the following excerpt by AnsweringChristianity:
The Christian missionary Sam Shamoun claims that Archangel Gabriel breathed into the vagina of Mary in order that the conception of Jesus would take place, he alleges that the above Qur’anic verse [Referencing 66:12] ideally gives this understanding. Although he quotes Imam Ibn Kathir, he simply (or intentionally) fails to understand what the Imam is saying. All Muslim commentators and scholars indisputably agree that Angel Gabriel breathed into the opening of Mary’s garment, not into her vagina as the missionary’s mind fantasizes.
It is reported on authority of Ibn ‘Abbas and Qatada that Archangel Gabriel appeared to Mary, the daughter of ‘Imran, in a human form, he approached her in order to breathe the spirit of Jesus into her, but she prevented him from even approaching the opening of her garment; this is the meaning of Mary guarding her farj because the Arabic word “farj” applies to any opening, gap or slit. When Gabriel introduced himself to Mary and informed her about his mission, she let him breathe the spirit of Jesus into the opening of her garment; this is the meaning of breathing into her farj. However, Mr. Shamoun – without a glance of hesitation – assumed that the Arabic word “faarj” must refer to the vagina of Mary and that Gabriel directly breathed into her vagina.
See the entire refutation and rebuke here:
The shamed missionary spams the following translation:
Ubayy b. Ka‘b told that he heard God’s messenger say, “If anyone proudly asserts his descent in the manner of the pre-Islamic people, tell him to bite his father’s penis, AND DO NOT USE A EUPHEMISM.”
He as usual, has already been rebuked for his repertoire before by a brother on a MDI comment board, here is the comment which was left for Shamoun in order to explain this:
Here we have a man who does not know the basics of Arabic and interpretation of hadiths and is arguing by copy pasting a statement of prophet out of context and out of its linguistic meaning .
THE ACTUAL ARABIC TEXT IS : “فأعضوه بهن أبيه ولا تكنوا”
This is a figure of speech and the provided translation is inaccurate as the translation is literal, which made the intended meaning to be lost. The underlined first word means “bite” but in this sentence it means “stick to” and this is one of the meaning of this word in Arabic. The second word means “penis” but it also does not actually give the meaning of “penis” here since it is used to refer to the “semen” that is inside it. Having said that, the actual statment means in correct translation: “He who is proud of his origins in a manner that is similar to the era of pre-Islam, let him stay next to his father’s semen [i.e. let him remember that his actual origin is a flithy semen]. So, as you can see it is not a verbal abuse but rather a strong explicit reminder of something that make one get over the phony pride.
THE CONTEXT: The context is crystal clear that the meaning what Sam Shamoun is driving is wrong .Prophet Mohammed here is not using bad language he is using an Arabic phrase used to convey the message that ‘ we originated from a small and filthy thing as semen ‘ , so what is there to boost of
Prophet instead is giving a good message that nobody is superior just on the basis of lineage.
But as for Shamoun he is at his usual best of misquoting , arguing without knowing basic Arabic.His usual costumers are his like minded Christians who think he is exposing Islam .Any one with a basic knowledge about Islam will know he is exposing nobody but his own ignorant self.
Apart from Shamoun being wrong, does he not stop to even read his Bible, aside from the Bible references we have already highlighted what about this one which makes reference to sexual intercourse and male emissions.
8 And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother’s wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother.
9 And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother’s wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother. [Genesis 38:8-10 (King James Version)]
What a fool. Shamoun’s Bible mentions private parts, oral sex, male emissions yet he is feigning some offense at Arabic words he does not even understand!
Please be reminded that I am not arguing against the Bible by bringing up these Bible references – I’m simply highlighting to you that the Christian missionaries either don’t know what’s in their own Bible or are just insulting it knowingly as all their feigned offence at Arabic words they misunderstand would apply stronger to the Bible as the Bible does contain words that are offensive to modern ears – as the prominent Bible teacher David Pawson mentions concerning the book of Ezekiel.
Folks this is an immature way to argue against Islam or any faith. It just shows how apologetically bankrupt Christian missionaries are and it also illustrates the inconsistency they operate from. On the one hand these Christians believe oral sex, description of male genitals and emissions as well as references to sex are in their Bible yet they feign some misguided offence at some Arabic words and terms they don’t understand.
Come on where is the consistency?
These people wind up insulting their Bible with such shallow argumentations.
Shamoun also made mention of Abu Bakr’s strong words against the pagans from History of al Tabari. This is actually explained here in detail by Waqar Cheema:
Shamoun also makes reference to sex in Paradise. Concerning this, Shamoun has been spectacularly rebuked and humbled in this video:
Wednesday, 3 July 2013
Sleazy Shamoun Asked To Apologise to Dr James White, Bassim Gorial, Mary Jo Sharp, Negeen Mayel, Zipporah Shamoun, Helen Shamoun
Sam Shamoun is called to apologise. This man and his friends were making x-rated ‘jokes’ on Christian TV. Is this evangelism?
Sunday, 30 June 2013
Constructive criticism of Osama Abdallah
Sam Shamoun is a dishonest and obnoxious man who is considered unworthy of debate – the man is a true disaster in Christian apologetics. By debating such a person one ends up appearing to be ‘legitimizing’ and allowing his insults, deceptions and general craziness to be swept under the rug. Mainstream Muslim speakers do not consider Shamoun with any regard. The man has some serious issues of dishonesty hatred towards Muslims and immorality as highlighted in the Sam Shamoun section here:
All Semitic languages, and especially Arabic, are full of metaphors and hyperboles. Jesus (peace and blessings be upon him) used to speak in parables; similarly, Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) used to instruct his people sometimes in a metaphorical and symbolic language. It is reported that Jesus (peace and blessings be upon him) supposedly said, “Do not give dogs what is holy; and do not throw your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under foot and turn to attack you.” (Matthew 7:6) These words fit very well on those who do not try to understand the Prophetic pearls and holy language. The author of this flyer should pay attention to these words of Jesus.”